I sort of feel like there's some kind of alliance between the two...it's possible that the bonding orbitals between me and Loki, and those between me and Satan, share some electron density

it's all about probabilities, and "quantum superposition" with me. I am not one thing, but many all at once, and so are my deities

#OccultTalk #Satan

I didn't use to think that much of Satan, I wrote him off as a Christian figure, and Satanism as merely a lifeless and unimaginative parody of Catholicism, but my sole knowledge of Satanism came from brushes with metal music and reading bits of LaVey's "Satanic Bible" at a party ages ago

now, though, I feel like it's the other way round in a sense, and it's Christianity that's made a parody of Satan, ginned him up into this grandmaster of evil out of inflated self-importance

#OccultTalk #Satan

*shanefaced chuckle* in fact when I was working last night er this morning I started to think up a story in which JHWH was an Asriel-like young god, obsessed with justice and making the world better, while Satan was his Chara-like best friend who'd go along with JHWH's childlike games of being THE ABSOLUTE GOD OF HYPERBEING and Satan was playing the pantomime villain whose schemes get foiled again and again but really JHWH loves him

#occulttalk #satan

oh I was gonna say this about adding just a dash of Satan, or Satan-adjacent, to my spiritual practice, like a really flavorful hot sauce

and that is, it's a way to get my girlfriend more interested in what I do

and therein lies a tale

#occulttalk

my girlfriend's earthy as shit, that's all I can say, she's all about creature comforts and food and weed and sex

and holy shit that's just so amazing to me still

anyway, she's not had a lot of interest in spiritual woowoo and that's saddened me a little, because it's something I wish I could share with her

and Satan, strangely, seems like an ideal bridge

@kara that sounds cool. good luck! \^o^/

now I gotta make clear, this isn't like a "I want to convert my girlfriend" nonsense

I don't want Daria to do _anything_ she doesn't enjoy

but

it pained me that she was on the outside of my spiritual awakening, that it was something I shared with another partner

a deeper connection with a second person...

I told her at last, a few weeks ago, that I'd been tearing myself up because I loved Kawa more intensely and deeply than her, and

well

she was fine with it, she understood

it was one of the most cathartic moments of my life, telling her that

since then Daria's been just a bit more curious about my witch stuff and I'm wanting to stoke that curiosity

like I said, it's not about _conversion_, I want her to get as much out of this spiritual woowoo as she wants and no more

she's a cat, and cats are finicky

but if there's a way to make this stuff appealing to her it's with the flavor of Satanism / Luciferianism

she's had a bit of prep

she used to be totally into black metal, I should remind her of that old interest

she's got some love for the softer music genres along these lines, she even sort of likes Slayer (very "sort of" but you know)

and then there's the Devilman Crybaby thing, that was _her_ idea, making me see that

bonding with her over Devilman Crybaby was...well, bricks in the bridge, you know?

@kara LaVey and his satanic bible are elitist and speciesist pricks

@ambyrb oh don't doubt it

@kara The occult in general is so weird to me
At the same time it's super appealing, inaccessible, not giving any real insight into myself, giving some decent insight, and all around feels hard to keep grounded without some semblance of *groan*

@kara but also satan takes many forms. Mainly I don't see the appeal except as a rejection to authority but even then there are way kinder symbols out there. Demons in general for example can be much kinder in symbolism

@ambyrb @kara Kinder and more benevolent demons are my aesthetic tbh

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara same
The horns, tails, claws, teeth, wings, and empathy

@ambyrb @kara Reminds me of a picture by Ribnose/Nikki. The title is "Pure Evil". https://witches.town/media/HNFSz1YWI2nftYxn8AE

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara omg
I love them
This is actually the kind of demons I imagine and it's really cute and aaaaa

@ambyrb @Ulfra_Wolfe awwwwwww *pets*

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara actually kind of the style I wanna go for tbh

@ambyrb @kara Pixel Prism depicted me with my demon bun mom, too, with me as a bun. https://witches.town/media/AmlDUEBeKT2WnIjlzRY

@kara @ambyrb In her case she was twisted by trauma by over and over again being betrayed and seeing tragedy after tragedy and children being hurt until she decided that the universe wasn't worth a damn anymore.

She's starting to realize that maybe some things make it worth it.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara they're like ultimate incarnate of legit punks imo

@kara Which Satan are we talking about here?

@silent pop culture Satan really

@kara In my own experience they aren't -chaotic- so much as self-serving, independent, and promoting that any way they can.

Literal antithesis to true Christ-like values without necessarily being a douche about it, if that makes sense. Delights in being the 'bad guy' whether the hero is real or corrupt bullshit.

If you ARE interested, The Satanic Bible is a good canon, but these days I find the left-hand path just a little bit too edgy.

@KawaSeadrake do you perceive Lucifer and Satan as separate figures?

@kara To be honest, I absolutely do. I see Satan as effectively a manifest foil created by the church, and Lucifer as an honestly innocent, well-intentioned rebel, archangel made deity by notoriety. TBH I pretty strongly affined with the latter at one point and in many ways still do because they embodied queerness and gender-nonconformity in some very real ways.

But that may be syncretic connections with the morning star talking. I also affine pretty strongly with Venus as an archetype.

@KawaSeadrake @kara To me left-hand path is either self-serving (apotheosis for the self alone), or about rebellion.

It doesn't seem to have much *building* and *growing* together. That's what I grave in any system.

@kara @KawaSeadrake CRAVE

CRAVE!!

@KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe honestly that's the feeling I get? and why I don't want to get too close?

Chara will start stealing everyone's food

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara This. It's -great- when you're feeling -trapped and outraged- and just need to break shit, but noooooot so great for when you need to build it or connect.

@KawaSeadrake @kara I think an issue is that there's a lot of distrust for building together. Satanism applies basic principles. Any building together and it become a *cult*, and *cults are bad*, because so many toxic personalities go to that. Those most ambitious are those most likely to build without there being more consensus.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @KawaSeadrake and since so much of my practice now is happening during work hours, when I am literally surrounded by the machinery of capitalism... *shrugs* the devil is strongest then

@KawaSeadrake @kara The best thing I've ever been told is that Ulfra isn't just loving, she grows love, like in a garden.

@KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe yeah, exactly. Satanism is about 99% partying in the ruins of existing structures

which is cool but not a mode of existence compatible with growth and civilization

@kara @Ulfra_Wolfe This, in fact... honestly thank you for helping me make a connection here.

Satan is literally the edgy rebellious off-color 90s incarnate. No f--- too graphic, no slur too offensive, anything to shake off the shackles of stuffy, repressive puritanical living-by-the-book. But yea, that doesn't stand on it's own.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @KawaSeadrake and a *little* of that kinda helps at work

I was in the middle of cogitating all this (night shift work gives me plenty of time) and I poured out a 16.66 gram sample by chance

Satan is saying that as long as I cop to having a demonic side in Chara I have to at least acknowledge him...dunno if that's *true* exactly but I'll give the fellow a nod here and there

@kara @KawaSeadrake Eh, you don't have to serve Satan with demonic shit any more than you gotta serve God with angel shit.

@KawaSeadrake @kara A lot of those representations come from distorted pagan references anyways

@kara @Ulfra_Wolfe You can acknowledge and turn away spirits as you wish, though some will certainly try to keep tugging.

Personally I would keep an ear open, but never take anything he says for face-value unless you know his values inside and out. ^.=.~

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara (And given how these message transmit, it's likely a little different for every individual being)

@KawaSeadrake @kara I hesitate to suggest this, but if I might be perfectly honest, right now I just want to get high with you two and discuss occult shit all day

@KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe heh, well...I wouldn't want to make Kawa uncomfortable, although I would love the same

@Ulfra_Wolfe @KawaSeadrake perhaps a virtual hangout would serve the purpose?

@kara @KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe

"partying in the ruins"

What an exquisite picture of chaos.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @KawaSeadrake @kara Although we're innately of the light, that's never stopped us talking with the demon nexuses, but it always comes with a price tag, and sometimes the price is ferociously high for the return.

@kara @KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe “cool but not ...compatible with growth and civilization”
Exactly where the inspiration for Demonkind sprang from. I always related to the “formal rebellion” of Satanism, but the Satanists I’ve known have all been assholes with no interest in building or healing. Even today most who claim LHP are like that. TST is different, but their identity and beliefs are inconsistent, muddled.

@demonkind @KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe that's where I want to shove things in a more...Luciferian direction, for myself?

Luciferianism doesn't seem well defined, and I'm unclear on its overlap with Satanism, but it seems to me better adapted to be used as a constructive force

@kara @KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe One of the nice things about Luciferianism is that there’s lots of room for building your own interpretations of it. I think it still leans solidly toward the self over others, but it’s not as calcified as LaVeyan teachings.

@kara @demonkind @Ulfra_Wolfe TBH... I don't quite remember where I got my own take on Lucifer. I think it was honestly self-constructive, and a lot of deconstruction of the whole "Sex/queerness = ZOMG EVIL TEMPTATION" trope. Whereas Satan was the depicted brutal hard-charger, Lucifer was the snake with the apple, and REALLY what was souring hir offer other than some armchair dictator declaring "Because I said so!"

(Hi I have opinions on the old testament, lol)

@KawaSeadrake @kara @demonkind If you actually read Genesis, it doesn't even say the snake is Lucifer.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara @demonkind Is it just the snake? I... honestly skimmed and only know some of the stories. Certainly not by heart. TBH I was raised with only very primitive/slapdash teachings despite that my dad was quite fearful of the devil.

@demonkind @kara @Ulfra_Wolfe Heck. Most of what I DID pick up in detail was from a world religion class. :p

@KawaSeadrake @demonkind @Ulfra_Wolfe I've read a _bit_ of Milton so I've picked up more of the vibe, maybe. cos really it's Milton who's most responsible for conflating Lucifer and Satan, I daresay

really it was his Christian AU

"hm, how do we explain Satan and evil...oh, I know, fallen angel, yeah, let's roll with it"

@Ulfra_Wolfe @demonkind @KawaSeadrake I must admit btw that the new "Devilman Crybaby" is some influence on me here, have y'all seen it

@KawaSeadrake @kara @demonkind

Yeah, it reads like any other animal mythos, like "Why do snakes crawl? Well, in the Garden..."

@kara @KawaSeadrake @Ulfra_Wolfe I think that’s an interesting idea; Satan as specifically a response to society where Loki and others build society. The difference between “this society says X and it’s shit! Why not Y?” as opposed to “okay, so you can build X, let’s try to build in some Y too so that society isn’t shit in places.” There’s an overlap but.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @kara @KawaSeadrake
re self serving: "put your own air mask on first"?

@shadowfirebird @Ulfra_Wolfe @KawaSeadrake well I do sleep with one

@kara @shadowfirebird @Ulfra_Wolfe @KawaSeadrake
LOL

@shadowfirebird @kara @KawaSeadrake Sure, but then what?